U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html?hp
    3 Pages of story about an Israeli request to the white house for a few specialized bunker buster bombs and permission to overfly Iraq on their way to bomb an Iranian nuclear site.

    All I can say is thank God Bush didn't give Israel the OK to do this. I could only imagine the kind of shitstorm that would begin in Iraq after it was discovered that the US gave permission to Israel to violate the would-be sovereign Iraqi airspace. All the progress we've made would have been lost in a day.
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    They should really stop all support that extends any kind of conflict at all.
    But everyone loves war too much.
  • Lasse January 2009
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    The only one to blame in this war is palestine(is that how you spell it?) because they're all fuckheads who think they can escape from war in their own country and then move to Norway and demonstrate outside the israeli embassy and cause havoc throughout Oslo city.

    Fucking worthless piece of shit fuckers think they can just come to OUR homeland and start ripping down street signs and shop signs, kicking trashcans over outside the parlament (stortinget), spray statues with spray paint and basicly just shit all over our country.

    It's too easy to get in to Norway these days and the line aint small either, considering it's the wealthiest country in the world per citizen, we're not really taking the precautions we should to maintain this status. (way too many spelling errors)

    fuck hamas and fuck this war. Let them resolve that shit themselves, even though we know Israel is going to K.O. palestine because it's full of retarded suicide bombers and idiots who don't know shit about the civil world with minds corrupted to think that Israel wants to kill them all because they're the devil. Well guess what, it's the same shit that the US has with Russia. Everyone claims to know for a fact that Russia wants to bomb the shit out of the U.S. if it got the chance, well guess what, here's a saying for you; "It's better to live in fear, than drop your guard". The U.S. government, just as the leaders of Hamas in palestine, wants you to fear Russia more than ever and always be ready if a war breaks out. Shit, if Russia wants to take you out that bad they would have fucked you guys over when you sent forces to Iraq.

    So yeah, I just compared the U.S. to Palestine, I know, but that's not the point. The point is: Hamas keep making palestine citizens fear Israel and create a void hatred for them which actually has no truth to it at all. Palestine is the country that has been doing shit to Israel for the last 20 or so years (I don't know) and now this war is Israel's way of saying "fuck you, we're not keeping up with this shit anymore, bye bye motherfuckers".
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Wrong topic. And wow you need to tone down the heat.
  • SenshiSenshi January 2009
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    You really don't know what it's like here. You think it's bad with Mexican immigrants (which you undoubtedly do being the right-wing moron you are)? It's nothing like the influx of middle eastern cultures into Scandinavian countries. Actually, it's not the immigrants themselves who're the problem; it's their spoiled, wannabe ghetto progeny. At least the first-generation immigrants have educations and whatnot, but their fucking offspring are a cancer killing all major urban areas.

    What's worse is that it's as much our countries' faults as it is theirs.

    For once I agree with fang, more details when I'm not on my iPod.

  • AdamAdam January 2009
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    Lasse this isn't the 80s, nobody is afraid of Russia anymore.
  • SenshiSenshi January 2009
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    Are you fucking kidding me

    Putin is a fucking madman

  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Its your own falut the natives like yourself won't have enough children to replace your dying, thus leaving the gap wide open for other people.
  • NineSpine January 2009
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    The Palestinians that are fighting Israel aren't the ones moving to Europe en mass. If they were, they wouldn't be in the West Bank and Gaza... fighting the Israelis. Logic: It works!

    Israel is an insane state. Insane. The government of Israel is a radical, psychopathic regime. I'm tired of watching the U.S media and politicians excuse everything that these lunatics do.

    What drove the Palestinians into the arms of Hamas is the insanity of Israel combined with their overwhelming U.S. support. When you back people into a corner they embrace extremism.
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    Yes, its your own fault for not overpopulating the world.
    Don't you realize that the only defining characteristic of any culture is how many siblings they can spawn?
    Everything else is worthless.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Why did you let someone who don't understand what the topic was about hijack it?

    :(

    This is about showing all those fears about how Bush was looking for any excuse to attack Iran were untrue!
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    Or too late.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Here ya go Senshi:
    img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Basic_demographics_of_Norway_1900_2000.PNG>

    Do you see the decline in birth rates and the ever increasing immigration rate?!?! Your nation's birth rates are not good enough! While you aren't as bad as France or God forbid Germany, you all need to FUCK MORE. Hop to it! Or prepare to see more and more immigrates and their children!
  • SenshiSenshi January 2009
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    i'm in sweden

    ours are probably even more abysmal

    which is odd because everyone seems to want to get married and have babies already at like age 20-22

    it's fucking crazy, these people don't know how to live

  • NineSpine January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from Oh-Wiseone:Why did you let someone who don't understand what the topic was about hijack it?

    :(

    This is about showing all those fears about how Bush was looking for any excuse to attack Iran were untrue!


    This doesn't prove that Bush didn't want to attack Iran. All this proves is that they didn't want to have Iran go apeshit on Israel. Also, giving Israel a pass to do that attack would draw the ire of many Middle Eastern nations, ones which might not support Iran if we attacked them otherwise. It's not a smart way to open up a war. In fact, it's outright stupid on a level that exceeds attacking Iraq.
  • TomTom January 2009
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    Coming from someone totally ignorant to world history and politics (hey, I'm the myspace generation :-/), why the hell do UsA give a shit about Israel anyway?
    EDIT: also, I can't be bothered to google for the right resource.
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    Why indeed.
  • TheMightyPeonTheMightyPeon January 2009
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    QQ more Europeans. at least we here in North America know how to fuck.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from NineSpine:
    Copypasta'd from Oh-Wiseone:Why did you let someone who don't understand what the topic was about hijack it?

    :(

    This is about showing all those fears about how Bush was looking for any excuse to attack Iran were untrue!


    This doesn't prove that Bush didn't want to attack Iran. All this proves is that they didn't want to have Iran go apeshit on Israel. Also, giving Israel a pass to do that attack would draw the ire of many Middle Eastern nations, ones which might not support Iran if we attacked them otherwise. It's not a smart way to open up a war. In fact, it's outright stupid on a level that exceeds attacking Iraq.

    Ya, it would alright with everyone if we attacked Iran, but not Israel. Sure.
  • NineSpine January 2009
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    Who said we were attacking Israel?
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Come on man you know what I meant. The shitstorm that probably would have hit Israel would have hit us as well for attacking Iran, and considering our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, it wouldn't be a smart move from any standpoint.
  • hfswjyrhfswjyr January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from Lasse:The only one to blame in this war is palestine(is that how you spell it?) because they're all fuckheads who think they can escape from war in their own country and then move to Norway and demonstrate outside the israeli embassy and cause havoc throughout Oslo city.

    Fucking worthless piece of shit fuckers think they can just come to OUR homeland and start ripping down street signs and shop signs, kicking trashcans over outside the parlament (stortinget), spray statues with spray paint and basicly just shit all over our country.

    It's too easy to get in to Norway these days and the line aint small either, considering it's the wealthiest country in the world per citizen, we're not really taking the precautions we should to maintain this status. (way too many spelling errors)

    fuck hamas and fuck this war. Let them resolve that shit themselves, even though we know Israel is going to K.O. palestine because it's full of retarded suicide bombers and idiots who don't know shit about the civil world with minds corrupted to think that Israel wants to kill them all because they're the devil. Well guess what, it's the same shit that the US has with Russia. Everyone claims to know for a fact that Russia wants to bomb the shit out of the U.S. if it got the chance, well guess what, here's a saying for you; "It's better to live in fear, than drop your guard". The U.S. government, just as the leaders of Hamas in palestine, wants you to fear Russia more than ever and always be ready if a war breaks out. Shit, if Russia wants to take you out that bad they would have fucked you guys over when you sent forces to Iraq.

    So yeah, I just compared the U.S. to Palestine, I know, but that's not the point. The point is: Hamas keep making palestine citizens fear Israel and create a void hatred for them which actually has no truth to it at all. Palestine is the country that has been doing shit to Israel for the last 20 or so years (I don't know) and now this war is Israel's way of saying "fuck you, we're not keeping up with this shit anymore, bye bye motherfuckers".


    *Imagines world if Lightfang was president*
  • BlazeBlaze January 2009
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    Sex is wrong anyway. We should use artificial insemination for impregnation and rely on virtual reality simulators to satisfy our desires like the advanced society we claim to be!
  • NineSpine January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from Oh-Wiseone:Come on man you know what I meant. The shitstorm that probably would have hit Israel would have hit us as well for attacking Iran, and considering our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, it wouldn't be a smart move from any standpoint.


    So... you agree with me?
  • fully+aquatic+turtlefully aquatic turtle January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from Blaze:Sex is wrong anyway. We should use artificial insemination for impregnation and rely on virtual reality simulators to satisfy our desires like the advanced society we claim to be!


    Um, no.
  • Shnome January 2009
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    I'll artificially inseminate Blaze anytime with a virtual reality simulator.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from NineSpine:
    Copypasta'd from Oh-Wiseone:Come on man you know what I meant. The shitstorm that probably would have hit Israel would have hit us as well for attacking Iran, and considering our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, it wouldn't be a smart move from any standpoint.


    So... you agree with me?


    If you are saying that any military attack on Iran would seriously compromise our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan(both border Iran), not to mention the loss of life that would follow, and would probably not do enough damage to ensure Iran could never build a nuclear weapon the future, and therefore there is no logical reason what-so-ever to attack Iran and therefore Bush wasn't planning on doing on top of the fact that it never happened, then yes I agree.

    Bush may have done some things in his term that you didn't like, and may have thought were out-right retarded, but attacking Iran considering the situation in the Middle East goes way-way-way-way beyond anything Bush did or didnt do in his Presidency.
  • Lasse January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from hfswjyr:
    *Imagines world if Lightfang was president*


    It wouldn't be good at all, I can tell you that much.
  • %28the%29Zulu(the)Zulu January 2009
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    Europeons aren't having as many kids because all the males grew up watching American porn and now pull out and junk all over their lady friends' face/tits/stomach/ass. They also wear condoms before doing this, so no pregnancies via pre cum.
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from (the)Zulu: so no pregnancies via pre cum.


    lol
  • NineSpine January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from Oh-Wiseone:
    Copypasta'd from NineSpine:
    Copypasta'd from Oh-Wiseone:Come on man you know what I meant. The shitstorm that probably would have hit Israel would have hit us as well for attacking Iran, and considering our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, it wouldn't be a smart move from any standpoint.


    So... you agree with me?


    If you are saying that any military attack on Iran would seriously compromise our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan(both border Iran), not to mention the loss of life that would follow, and would probably not do enough damage to ensure Iran could never build a nuclear weapon the future, and therefore there is no logical reason what-so-ever to attack Iran and therefore Bush wasn't planning on doing on top of the fact that it never happened, then yes I agree.

    Bush may have done some things in his term that you didn't like, and may have thought were out-right retarded, but attacking Iran considering the situation in the Middle East goes way-way-way-way beyond anything Bush did or didnt do in his Presidency.


    Bush never did one major thing in his Presidency that was positive or intelligent, yet you want me to believe that in THIS case he goes against the Neoconservative ideology. Despite the fact that he supported Neocon policies consistently on virtually every single issue imaginable, you want me to believe that he breaks from them on THIS issue and THIS issue alone.

    It's painfully clear that the Bush administration wanted to attack Iran. Just because they changed their mind about actually doing it doesn't mean they don't want to. It's part of their core ideology. A similar issue is the dismantling of Social Security. It's a core policy of theirs and they clearly would have loved to do it, but for numerous reasons they could not.
  • TomTom January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from (the)Zulu:Europeons aren't having as many kids because all the males grew up watching American porn and now pull out and junk all over their lady friends' face/tits/stomach/ass. They also wear condoms before doing this, so no pregnancies via pre cum.


    Out of everything in this thread, this makes the most sense.
  • hfswjyrhfswjyr January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from Lasse:Copypasta'd from hfswjyr:
    *Imagines world if Lightfang was president*


    It wouldn't be good at all, I can tell you that much.
    I had nightmares for the last two nights.
  • The+Cheshire+CatThe Cheshire Cat January 2009
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    I know people here expect me to post something in this thread, so there. Thats all I really have to say about this.
    Actually I'd like to make you all fully realize that you've just wasted several precious seconds of your life reading this post. Especially Senshi.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Where are you planning to move again after you leave Israel? Just curious.
  • The+Cheshire+CatThe Cheshire Cat January 2009
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    Doesn't really matter tbh since its all just words for now. I've only been to Scotland too so I don't really know how other countries are like.
    I guess wherever I'll find a cool job offer.
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    You can be stablemaster on my kangaroo farm.
  • The+Cheshire+CatThe Cheshire Cat January 2009
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    I'll consider it
  • hfswjyrhfswjyr January 2009
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    The DROVER.
  • BlazeBlaze January 2009
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    Israel related.

    image
  • hfswjyrhfswjyr January 2009
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    Arabs already outnumber Jews in Israel I believe, and that number will balloon.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from hfswjyr:Arabs already outnumber Jews in Israel I believe, and that number will balloon.


    Not yet, but the birth rates suggest they might in the future.
  • NineSpine January 2009
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    The 1947 borders are a reasonable compromise and the Palestinians would almost definitely go for it if the Israelis would, but they won't. Why? Religion.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Edit, I just removed my post. Shouldn't be argueing about someone else's country like that, its not really my business.
  • The+Cheshire+CatThe Cheshire Cat January 2009
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    You're arguing facts as if some conclusion can be drawn out of all of this regarding whos right and whos wrong, while you're clearly aware of the fact that each side considers itself the right one and thinks that the other is wrong. I don't understand what makes you interested in arguing about such things while knowing that it all comes down to perspectives and that theres no real right and wrong.
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Thats true, and in the end both Israel and Palestine are fighting, in more ways than militarily, for their own existance so all kinds of things that may be morally wrong are on the table. So its impossible to argue about who's right and wrong because in there is no right and wrong, only survive.
    Anyway dude I have opinions about the polices of your nation, although I admit Israel's issues are extremely complicated and I wouldn't claim to be an expert on them. But i would feel like Britian at France at Munich in 1938 discussing what is really a Czechslovakian(sp) issue. IE, i'd feel like i'd be getting into someone else's business, and I consider Israel's issues with Palestine to be an internal issue.
    And again I doubt you'll get in on any arguement me and ninespine has, and it seems wrong for two people to argue about an issue that has nothing to do with them but affects someone else who's not even in the discussion.
  • NineSpine January 2009
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    Most of the crap we argue about barely effects either of us at all.

    EDIT: And for the record, I believe Israel is wrong. I actually do believe it is that cut and dry.
  • AzAz January 2009
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    Lol lasse I'm a Muslim immigrant, I'm in ur country smashing ur streetsigns
    Seriously though you need to chill the fuck out. Trust me, not all of us are out to destroy public property
    Most of us just want your jobs and women
  • Oh-WiseoneOh-Wiseone January 2009
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    Copypasta'd from NineSpine:Most of the crap we argue about barely effects either of us at all.

    EDIT: And for the record, I believe Israel is wrong. I actually do believe it is that cut and dry.


    Nothings that simple.
  • The+Dunwich+HorrorThe Dunwich Horror January 2009
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    They're both wrong. So very wrong.

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